In your response, compare how Shakespeare shows affection versus how we as a society express affection. Do we see our fate tied to a person as Shakespeare expressed? Explain and respond to 2 other posts
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Laura Greer
2/24/2015 05:17:15 am
I don't think in our society our fates are tied to other people. Today, every individual is their own person. It seems like in Shakespeare's society, people are more open to affection. while in our society, people are more awkward and embarrassed about expressing their feelings to another person. We don't really want everyone to know about our crushes, but it is very hard to keep it a secret. If you finally admit it to a friend, they could end up sharing it with others, and soon everyone will know.
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Hannah Nelson
2/24/2015 05:37:05 am
I agree partialy. I think it is true because yes every individual is there own person and in todays society we are indeed awkward about our feelings. Although myself personally, i dont mind so much if people know who i like i just would worry about the actual person i like knowing.
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Courtney Bourlier
2/24/2015 07:53:13 am
I think at this age no matter how the society is that everyone is awkward. That's what your middle school and high school relationships are, awkward. but the only way the relationship will last if you can get past the awkwardness and be comfortable around each other.
Victoria selca
2/24/2015 08:05:07 pm
I think that today our society has changed so much and our language evolved a lot too. Today we use slang and shorten words instead of proper grammar and I think that if someone proposed a Shakespeare poem to someone it will come weird. We show affection today weirdly we make fun of the person we like or make fun something like that. Also back in the day people would tell the person they like that they like them today we tweet them Kik snapchat and such. If someone wants to recite a poem they should and should not worry about making fun of. 2/24/2015 06:29:41 am
I agree with you, everybody does have their own personalities and people also generally try to keep their crush a secret.
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Mathieu Walton
2/24/2015 06:54:12 am
I guess a question I would have is, why do people now feel it a need to keep their curshes a secret if they really truly do like a person?
Courtney Bourlier
2/24/2015 07:55:26 am
I think if you like someone what's the point of keeping it a secret. If you like someone tell them because you are either wasting your time liking them or you are wasting time you guys could be together if they feel the same. So if you like someone tell them if you don't its a wasted opportunity to be with them. Also what's the worst thing that could happen if you tell them? They don't feel the same and you move on?
Nicole Williamson
2/24/2015 07:01:21 am
To the hole fate thing. I don't know. You can be attached to someone, but to think that your whole life revolves around you being with them. I admit that's weird.
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Laura Greer
2/24/2015 09:07:59 am
I agree, I don't think your whole world should revolve around one thing, there has to be some kind of balance.
Anna Hart
2/24/2015 09:19:01 pm
I agree, people are more closed of about their feelings.
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Hannah
2/24/2015 05:27:13 am
I think the way Shakespear shows affection is very different from how most highschool students do. i believe in todays society its thought of as weird or out of the ordinary to write long romantic poems. Shakespeare seems to me like he was very sweet and romantic when it comes to flirting, today the way teens flirt is by being rude to eachother, or always going around one person and trying a little to hard to make them laugh. I think that long romantic poems can be awkward at times and are completly the opposite of how teens show affention today.
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Hannah Nelson
2/24/2015 05:31:20 am
Also i dont think our fates are tied to an idividual as much as they were back in shakespears time, i think that out of the almost 7 billion people in the world there could be more that one person that is right for you.
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2/24/2015 06:31:39 am
Again, i agree, romantic love poems are considered very weird today and teens nowadays flirt by being rude or by trying to get the other person to laugh.
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Mathieu Walton
2/24/2015 06:52:24 am
Perhaps teens have to try showing affections in these crude ways because they don't know how to show affection in anyother way that may be an art that was lost through the ages.
Kamani Harsch
2/24/2015 07:25:44 am
Girls and guys flirt drastically different and that's based on their personality. I flirt in person and over text but i have a flirtatious and dominant personality where that comes easy to me. So it depends on a lot of things whether or not this is easy
Nicole Williamson
2/24/2015 06:58:25 am
I agree that writing out a long romantic email or letter would just be weird and would probably end up making things more award.
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Diamond Davis
2/25/2015 03:47:16 am
I agree as well about the long romantic emails or letters but it really depends on the person and some people might actually like that kind of display of affection.
Laura Greer
2/24/2015 09:10:58 am
I agree, Teens always try to be funny, rather than romantic, Poems aren't really something in society today. We usually aren't writing notes or letters to each other, now that we have technology
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Anna Hart
2/24/2015 09:55:41 pm
Long romantic poems are not apropriate today, but like a little saying of some sort could be okay.
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Connor Heaton
2/24/2015 06:27:55 am
Shakespeare showed affection very different than people do nowadays. During Shakespeare's time, it seemed people were more open about romantic feelings and wrote long poems about how they loved each other. Nowadays, people show affection by being rude to their crush. Also, writing a love poem would be extremely awkward and weird nowadays. Along with this, people do not see their fate tied to one person, but instead to many things. in conclusion, people nowadays show affection for one another drastically differently than Shakespeare did.
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Parker Agar
2/24/2015 09:41:59 am
Maybe it's not really rude to the other, because they are so use to how society acts these days.
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Nicole Williamson
2/24/2015 06:49:46 am
I think that all of us are guilty of paying attention to our cellphones more then the person in front of us and I think that's the reason Shakespeare ways and our ways are so different. technology has made us lazy and unalert even though they give us all our information now a days.
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Savanna Gifford
2/24/2015 07:28:05 am
I agree that technology has ruined getting to know the person. All we do is text, or talk on the phone. We dont get to learn the way they act, or say certain things. And when you see them its different and more awkward than if youre just talking over text.
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Courtney Bourlier
2/24/2015 07:50:31 am
I agree! Some people are super confident over text and social media but keep to themselves and don't say a word in person! It's one thing to be able to carry on a conversation through text message,but if you can't carry on a conversation in person the relationship will go nowhere
Sam Carlisi
2/24/2015 10:22:39 am
I agree that people act a different way in person than on text. They might be more embarrassed in person saying what they have to say
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Mathieu Walton
2/24/2015 06:50:07 am
It seems as though people in our society are more afraid of being placed on social media and being laughed at by the public eye than people in Shakespeare's time. It's almost as if we have to become "fake" people in some extreme cercumstances to make ourselves seem better or more superior to our normals selves. I think that we change are image to go along with the people around us so I think that are fates are somewhat determinded by not only the choices we makie but by the people we associate ourselves with.
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Hannah Nelson
2/24/2015 07:17:29 am
I agree, i believe its is rediculous to pretend you are somthing your not. How would a person think they like you if you arent even being yourself around them because the truth is they dont really know you at all.
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Savana Gifford
2/24/2015 07:30:24 am
I agree that we change our image to go alone with the people around us. If we're with out friends, we might try to act cool. But if we're with someone we are attracted to, we may act a little dumb. Or shy.
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Parker Agar
2/24/2015 09:40:43 am
I agree that we change how we act to maybe impress others.
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Christian Margilaj
2/24/2015 11:32:50 am
I Couldn't even type this post without thinking i am going to be made fun of because my lack of grammar. Thats how society is nowadays.
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Courtney Bourlier
2/24/2015 07:04:51 am
Back in Shakespeare's time many things were different in relationships. Women had very little say in who they were going to marry. It was usually up to her parents due to financial reasons. Also men could cheat and do whatever in the relationship. The women just had to put up with, even if they didn't like it, because they didn't have money to leave. Men were the ones bringing home the money while women cleaned and cooked. Women back then were lucky if they ended up with guys like Shakespeare and if they didn't well that sucks, they didn't get to pick. Things have changed juristically since then. Women have more rights than they used to and don't have to marry a man because her parents told her to or because she had to because or her families financial situation. Now men and women have to win each other over. Sure love poems and love songs won women over at a time, but they rarely do now. Go back 50 years and I'm sure guys and girls didn't flirt by pushing each others books out of their hands. But whenever a guy is being mean to a girl or vice versa someone says when a guy is mean to you that means he likes you. Society will always change and so does the way we communicate. Eventually love songs and poems will be used to show affection again and after that being mean will be considered flirting again. I don't believe our fate is tied to one person. Like I don't believe in soul mates. I think we have more in common with certain people than we do with others some people we click with. I don't think there is only one person out there that you could be happily married too, there Is more than one special person. Like my dad and my step mom are happily married and I'm almost positive if they never met they both could be happily married to other people. Love can be very geographic.
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Damoni Ealy
2/24/2015 07:41:46 am
Very well said Courtney. Soul mates can be real but not just one person will only satisfy another. Also like you said before, love songs and poems will eventually mean ultimately nothing if the same routine is repeated.
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Noah Nelson
2/24/2015 09:12:18 am
I agree with what your saying, that people wouldn't interact with each other 50 years ago then they would today for that that very reason. Most of them were forcefully married and couldn't change that so it didn't matter how they would flirt with them. Well said
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Kamani Harsch
2/24/2015 07:11:01 am
I personally would have trouble confessing my affection to a person especially if I've only known them for a short period of time. So its clearly easier to be rude and improper than sweet and caring. In today's society it's difficult just for a person to work up the nerve to ask for a phone number or any social media. In the time Shakespeare was popular, he could have been considered a ladies man. What Shakespeare said in his sonnets was what a women wanted to hear. Today I would personally just like a little bit extra affection shown than usual. I know many people wouldn't like to be smothered with the type of stuff he says. Most girls want sweetness and surprises. And with our generation, us girls are more likely to share it with our friends when a guy does something good or bad so they would rather have a bad reputation and girls not care than to have a clingy cutsie feel to him and no girl goes for the nice guy first.That is truly the reason guys act like jerks because girls complain about never getting a good guy when they always go for the bad ones
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Noah Nelson
2/24/2015 09:17:54 am
I can agree and disagree. I agree with the fact that if you show your emotion its easier then saying it because most thing you say will never be forgotten especially if they person rejects you. but also how would it be easier to be hated by the person(so they don't like you anymore anyway). But if your nice to them and very sweet, It almost always ends up in being friend zoned.(P.S most popular place in the world is friend zone).
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Savanna Gifford
2/24/2015 07:25:37 am
In Shakespeare's time, relationships were different. They didn't have to worry about other people being sent screenshots or anything of the relationship. Now all people care about is postinhg about their relationships on social media. People have become attatched to the idea that showing off your relationship, is better than working with your relationship. Back in Shakespeare's times, they worried about knowing the person, not how many likes they would get on a post. We can't always see our fate like he suggests. But we can feel when somethings meant to be.
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Kamani Harsch
2/24/2015 07:50:51 am
I feel like this post has a very good point. It is explaining the idea i tried to put into words but had trouble. good job
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D'Ana
2/24/2015 08:46:54 am
Love this and back then they didn't have social media . So if one wanted to get married in a small village or town they could without someone having to be all up in they business.
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Dylan Davis
2/24/2015 11:43:44 am
This is very true. Social media influences our society by our thoughts on some person over the internet. Which can make or break a relationship.
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Damoni Ealy
2/24/2015 07:47:18 am
In all honesty i have major respect for Shakespeare. To have the courage and make poems like he did designed specifically for one person is amazing. This amazes me because now a trip you Taco Bell would satisfy a girl. The women in Shakespeare's time in my opinion were much more complex. They didn't have to worry about what others thought or showing off who they have.
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D'Ana
2/24/2015 08:43:24 am
But boys also want the same amount of affection as girl maybe less maybe more
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Christian Margilaj
2/24/2015 11:30:07 am
Couldn't agree anymore on how maturity takes its role in this particular situation.
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D'Ana Croff-Rider
2/24/2015 08:42:22 am
To be really honest I think back in Shakespeare's Tim men actually wanted to express and explain there love for a woman . Nowadays it's mostly the women who want to show it more . As it was said in class today how we (girls) want more attention such as hugs, text messages, gifts, and other things of that sort . To answer the second portion no I don't think we see our fate as Shakespeare portrayed . I personally believe most of us just want to be in a relationship for the fun of it . not because of the actual meaning .
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noah nelson
2/24/2015 09:08:08 am
I believe most the ways people showed affection back when Shacks Pear the ways they did Is because they don't care and you can just get it over with. although for people most days are scared of rejection from the other person, or have been friends with the person for a very long time and wouldn't like that to change. Also most people are scared of what they will say to the person will "get out" and he will be embarrassed about what other are saying to him.
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Parker Agar
2/24/2015 09:38:45 am
Our high school affection is most definitely different from Shakespeare's affection. For one, you might take a Lady/Man to a dance in Shakespeare's ages but now a simple movie might be more affectionate. Secondly, since we have changed so much a man/girl may not like 'lovey-dovey' stuff that they use too.
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Sam Carlisi
2/24/2015 10:17:55 am
Shakespeare back in the day usually would express himself more and defined his meaning towards what he say to another. Also, Shakespeare's affection actually left an affect on others while our highschool today might only leave a short term affect on people. The vocabulary used in his time also is different from ours we use today to try to talk to someone.
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2/25/2015 09:18:02 am
I agree. Shakespeare's words were much different. I also believe because of this it was more meaningful and definitely left a mark.
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Christian Margilaj
2/24/2015 11:27:27 am
Society today is not quite as mature as society in the past. Society today has to do with people taking social media advice on relationships which isn't always such a great idea. Take many of the "happily" married celebrities who get divorced after only being married for a couple of years if not months. Society in the past was more mature because they didn't take divorce as much of an answer back then. Today, the divorce rate has increased exponentially.
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Dylan Davis
2/24/2015 11:41:09 am
Nicely said Christian. I agree on what you think because now a days no one wants to make the effort to continue their relationships
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Alexi Carey
2/25/2015 09:21:53 am
I agree with the both of you, but a lot of the time divorces are caused by differences in feelings. You simply cannot have a relationship that is one sided it just hurts the two involved in the relationship.
Dylan Davis
2/24/2015 11:39:20 am
Shakespeare way of communicating to another person was completely different from how we are today. Most people in our society does not believe in owning up to your own feelings. Commonly people in our society like to show their affectionate towards someone by getting their attention in a more secretive way Shakespeare was more confident in his way of thought. He did not care so much about what others thought just his own belief. Which now a days I believe a lot of that has to do with our social media and technology. I think this because everyone is tied together and nothings ever a secret anymore.
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Alexi Carey
2/25/2015 09:17:49 am
I agree, if people today did not care so much about what others think it would change the way we are affectionate towards people. I also believe that if you really like someone you shouldn't care so much about what others think because others are not the one you like.
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Marc Hernandez
2/24/2015 12:12:05 pm
Shakespeare wasn't afraid to show affection toward a person he said exactly how he felt it and made a good poem about it he connects natural things to our world to show how strong and serious about it he was so you can better understand his feelings. I think this worked well back then because people didn't really have the technology to black mail someone in the case that they don't feel the same way or use their note against them . I feel like people were more closed minded so this would be a big thing for someone to do for you because not just any person could wright such poetry and if you received a love letter from one of the many that did it would be a special thing . And you couldn't just take that for granted. As of us we don't really like like to open up and express our feelings to a significant other.i feel that this ties to many things like a fear of rejection you can't express your self to a person that type of way and get rejected you just fully opened your self to them to get rejection. I feel now and days that isn't used because of the different type of grammar we use now and days and is it nothing compared to what they used back then . It would be very odd if you handed a girl a note like that she most likely wouldn't understand what you were trying to say to her at all. Another reason I feel we don't use that way any more is because we have texting and notes aren't so common anymore we would rather feel more comfortable typing it threw a phone then sending a note .texting is way much faster . Or even in the way that you could read it face to face we would rather be behind a phone then actually get with the person and tell them directly it would hurt much more of a rejection that way .My final reason would be being that girls don't really like that mushy love any more they want a strong guy that is a macho man. You cant show weakness to a girl or some sort of emotion because that will make them loose interest and all that will just make you seem soft and not macho man worthy .
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Marc Hernandez
2/24/2015 12:25:56 pm
Shakespeare wasn't afraid to show affection toward a person, he said exactly how he felt and made a good poem about it. He connects his poems to natural things in our world to show how strong and serious about his feelings so you can better understand them. I think this worked well back then because people didn't really have the technology to black mail someone in the case that they don't feel the same way or use their note against them . I feel like people were more closed minded so this would be a big thing for someone to do for you because not just any person could wright such poetry. If you received a love letter from one of the many that did it would be a special thing that you couldn't just take for granted. As of people today, we don't really like like to open up and express our feelings to a significant other. I feel that this ties to many things such as fear of rejection; it hurts people emotionally when they express themselves in such a strong way and then get rejected in the end. I feel now a days poems aren't used because of the different type of grammar and language. The type of grammar we use now is nothing compared to what they used back then . It would be very odd if you handed a girl a note that she most likely wouldn't understand. Another reason I feel we don't use Shakespeare's wag anymore is because we have texting and notes aren't so common anymore. We would rather feel more comfortable typing it through a phone than sending a note .texting is way faster . Or even in the way that you could read it face to face; we would rather be behind a phone than actually get with the person and tell them directly, it would hurt much more if you were rejected that way .My final reason would be that girls don't really like that mushy love any more, they want a strong guy that is a macho man. You cant show weakness to a girl or some sort of emotion because that will make them loose interest and all that will just make you seem soft, and that's just not what girls are appealed to anymore.
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Jeff Reeves
2/24/2015 12:27:18 pm
I feel like people are more scared of showing g affection. People are afraid of being rejected, scared of being exposed on social media. Today a lot of people try to act hard and say "they live that life." And women have changed also. They like different type of guys, "bad boys" or hoodlums. So people see that the "bad boy" is getting all the girls and so they change the way they act.
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Anna Hart
2/24/2015 09:17:04 pm
Shakespeare's way of expressing his feelings is not the same way as we do now. In the 21st century, people most of the time do not speak up about how they feel. Also, people, expecially teenagers, will not use poetry as a way to tell someone how they feel.
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Diamond Davis
2/25/2015 03:43:05 am
I agree most teenagers would rather keep their feelings to themselves to lower the probability of embarrassment.
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Diamond Davis
2/25/2015 03:41:22 am
Shakespeare shows affection in a completely different way than society. He is more romantic with his words and he used poetry to show his feelings towards another. As of society today, many people hide their feelings so they aren't judged by many. Also, I do not feel our fate is tied to one specific person because anyone can be your "true love." It just depends on your personality and your preferences, and many people have the same likes and dislikes.
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Alexi Carey
2/25/2015 09:13:53 am
I agree , but I also believe that your "true love" is also affected by timing and circumstances. Lets say you have a family death , u may not be attracted or affectionate to someone because of what you are dealing with.
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2/25/2015 09:13:56 am
I agree. Many hide their feelings and our fate is not tied to one specific person.
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Miki Mandala
3/1/2015 05:49:10 am
I agree that people now are afraid to say what they really feel.
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Alexi Carey
2/25/2015 09:09:15 am
In Shakespeares time people were more upfront when it came to their feelings. Back then they did not have to worry about rumors or others twisting what you say because they themselves were open about it. Today most are scared or embarrassed about who they like and about them finding out. If who you like is not up to others "standards" it can make it more difficult to admit your feelings. I also believe that today people are not up front with someone about their feeelings because of their fear of rejection or their fear of them spreading it around to people like it was a joke.
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Stephanie Trajkov
3/4/2015 10:18:28 am
I think the idea of rumors, like you said, does have a lot to with it!
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2/25/2015 09:10:52 am
The way love was expressed by Shakespeare, I believe is completely different than the way society is today. Shakespeare approach was definitely more romantic which may seem better. Although, if we were to use this approach today, the word "embarrassment" might explain the situation. Love is now expressed differently because of reasons like peer pressure. Social media can also play a big role in what we do and do not choose to do.
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Miki Mandala
3/1/2015 05:48:14 am
Today's society is nothing like Shakespeare. We send each other messages, use slang to express how we feel about one another, and we think that it would be uncool and embarrassing to express how we feel about each other. Shakespeare expresses himself in a way that no one does anymore. If someone wrote me a note saying what he said it would be kind of weird. Maybe back then it was what you were supposed to do, but today we just send heart eyed emojis.
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Stephanie Trajkov
3/4/2015 10:17:33 am
I agree with you.
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Stephanie Trajkov
3/4/2015 10:15:01 am
In regards to the Shakespearean ways of writing and expressing feelings between each other, people were more personal and expressed themselves in a very unique type of way in which someone, in current day, would refer to as a embarrassing or in shameful manner. Today, teens have a very odd sense in sharing feeling among each other. It is more modern and has since abandoned the 'old fashioned' ways of speaking. In present day people do not speak in a proper English manner due to the evolution of our language as we grow further and adapt new ways of speaking.We no longer use the popular terms of writing poetry to our loved ones to show affection but more or less keep it to a minimum to avoid the embarrassment of showing how we really feel. Although our society has much changed as grow different, I believe there are still people who respect and value a decent love letter rather than guessing the feelings of our admirers.
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